I Quit: Why SCSD Teachers Are Leaving The District Why are SCSD teachers leaving the district?

A Newhouse Spotlight Team investigation

Written and Produced by: Anais Mejia, Julia Virnelli, Evan Butow, Avery Gingerich

Intro
Avery: Hey, Evan. Hey, Julia.
Julia: Hey.
Evan: Hi, Avery.
Avery: You both have family members that are teachers, right?
Julia: Yes, so my mom and sister both work in schools. My mom is a school nurse and my sister just started teaching Sixth Grade. And they would always come home with the craziest stories about their days. Whether it be with another teacher or an interaction with a student it was so interesting to hear.
Evan: Yeah, my mom is a college professor at Villanova. She teaches Chemical Engineering. And both of my grandmothers were teachers. My mom’s mom was a kindergarten teacher for 20 years, and a special education teacher before that. And my dad’s mom was a high school librarian for 42 years.
Avery: If I remember right, this story idea was originally yours, right, Julia?
Julia: Yeah, because of everything my mom and sister have told me, the reports of staff shortages in Syracuse had immediately caught my interest. While there is a ton of coverage of the need for more teachers in Syracuse, there’s not really coverage on why teachers are quitting and what is making them leave. So, that’s kinda what prompted this investigation.
Avery: And that’s why we went looking for stories about what it’s like to teach here. Our teammates Anais will join us in a bit. Until then, let’s hear what makes people who want to give themselves to others say, ‘I quit!’

Segment 1: The Trend
Avery: Teaching’s never been easy. The Greek philosopher Aristotle is believed to have said, “Those who know, do. Those who understand, teach.” Unfortunately, we know it today as the much snarkier, “Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.”
In 2022, the public polling firm Gallup reported that 44% of American K-12 teachers felt burnt out often or always on the job. There’s a lot of issues: Lack of pay, class sizes, course material, standardized testing, the list goes on-and-on.
And a lot of those same issues appear here in Syracuse. 151 teachers resigned from the Syracuse City School District in 2023. That’s according to our review of data the district provided us. Here’s the President of the Syracuse Teachers Association Nicole Capsello.
Nicole Capsello: “Our members are feeling it. They are overworked, they are overstressed, and, quite frankly, underpaid at the moment.”
Evan: Capsello has worked in the Syracuse district for 19 years. She worked for 12 years as a special education teacher and she told us it’s never been easy to bring teachers here.
Nicole Capsello: “Urban settings come with a totally different set of challenges to begin with.”
Evan: “Especially recently –”
Nicole Capsello: “We now have people who leave, veteran, tenured teachers will leave the district and go to another district, where you didn’t use to have that happen … and some people are just leaving the profession all-in-all because it’s too much stress.”
Evan: “It’s a cycle that’s been building for years, with consequences that hurt the district, other teachers, and, most importantly, students.”
Nicole Capsello: “I would love to say ‘No.’, right? But that’s just not realistic.”

Segment 2: The Problems
Megan Giannino: “You almost are like, ‘is that a real thing?’ And then you’re like, ‘It is a real thing.’ And I’m like, ‘How? How is, like, a child experiencing that?’”
Avery: That’s Megan Giannino. She worked as a school counselor at Bellevue Elementary for the last two years. Giannino’s an Upstater, she grew up in Camillus and went to college in Buffalo. She moved back to be closer to her family.
She told us she wasn’t sure what to expect when she started working in the city. What she found were issues that started well before school.
Megan Giannino: “When I got to the city, it was very clear, like, a lot of families in like the lower SES background, lots of families experiencing trauma.”
Avery: “Giannino said Bellevue experienced the symptoms of those bigger problems. Attendance was inconsistent, students fought, connecting with families outside of school was difficult. She said there weren’t any easy answers; and, that going forward, there still aren’t any easy answers. She said the one that she heard frequently didn’t help either.”
Megan Giannino: “You’d involve CPS and stuff, and, it’s kind of like, well, like, you know, they’d be like, they’d like stretch it well, ‘it doesn’t really matter because they came two days ago,’ but we’re like this child is significantly behind grade level.”
Avery: “Giannino said she never felt threatened at work because she and her coworkers focused on helping students. That said, tension was just part of life at Bellevue.”
Megan Giannino: “There were times where, like, kids, they were out in the playground and they had to come in because, like, gunshots are like in the distance. Whether like it really was or it’s a different sound or something, in that moment, I just get into that ‘Okay, we’ll get everyone in the building.’”
Avery: “The tension snapped at the start of Giannino’s second year. A new principal and vice principal started at the school. Some teachers were assigned new subjects to teach and grade levels to teach to. She said reorganization like that isn’t unusual, she could’ve been reassigned to a different school. Some teachers responded by quitting. Giannino committed to her second year, then left Bellevue for West Genesee School District last summer.”

Interlude (Our findings)

Avery: “This podcast is being published in addition to a digital story. All four of us reported on the story, but it was Anais and Julia who wrote it. They’re here to tell us about the main findings. Hey, guys.”
Julia: “Hi.”
Anais: “Hey.”
Anais: “The two biggest issues we found were that teachers don’t feel safe working in schools and they don’t feel supported by their respective administrations.”
Julia: “Another thing we found that was really interesting is that this is an extremely sensitive issue; six out of the ten people we talked to for this story requested to either be off the record or on background. ‘On background’ is just journalism lingo for wanting to be anonymous in the story.”
Avery: “Did that surprise you guys?”
Julia: “And yeah, this was pretty surprising for us. I know people get nervous sharing their stories, but to hear that people worry about how the district is going to respond is kind of concerning.”
Anais: “I wasn’t very surprised. The district doesn’t acknowledge or seem to address the depths of its problems. Teachers and staff have to work around this apathy when they work in the district and are unable to trust their administrators.”
Evan: “A part of this piece deals with the district’s response to our reporting. Based on what made it into the final draft of the story, their response seemed pretty underwhelming, did it not?”
Julia: yeah, they mostly deflected our questions and gave us general answers. When we asked them about the teacher shortage in the school district, they told us that every school district is dealing with teacher shortages, not just Syracuse. Which, it is a national issue, but our goal is to get to the root of it in Syracuse.”
Anais: “When we asked the district about school violence they told us they had several new ‘tools and resources’ they were going to implement in schools to improve safety. But never told us what they were or when they were going to be implemented within schools.”
Evan: “That is some grade-A level deflecting from the district there, but I think the district’s answers point to an issue you both highlighted earlier which is that a lot of teachers and staff in the district don’t feel supported by the administration.”

Problem #2
Evan: “Jennifer Horn has been teaching at Webster Elementary for close to 22 years. She sounded measured about a lot of stressors that come with teaching, but one issue is clear and urgent to her.”
Jennifer Horn: “When I started way back in the late 90s, if you showed up for an interview you might have eight teachers interviewing for one opening … and now there’s not.”
Evan: “As a first-grade teacher, Horn is familiar with behavioral issues. She said the district has adapted over time. It’s implemented restorative conversations in the hope that young minds work through confrontation. It’s a process that can take a lot of time.”
Jennifer Horn: “That restorative piece happens very infrequently. Mostly because we do not have enough people to stand in my room for 10 minutes while I have that restorative conversation.”
Avery: “Horn also said her experience with administrators has been mostly positive. She said each principal has had their own style, but overall, she’s been able to work with them. She said what teachers can’t work with is time-management policies from the district.”
Jennifer Horn: “There doesn’t seem to be a trust that we are doing that. And so the constant utilizing every minute of every day is just, it’s a little overwhelming.”
Avery: “Administrators don’t control policies that specify how teachers use their lesson planning and time away from students. Horn said defining every second of a day isn’t realistic in a school setting. She said these and other issues seem to grind teachers – especially young teachers – down.”
Jennifer Horn: “There was a couple summers ago where I literally did four letters for teachers who were leaving.”
Ending – Perseverance
Avery: “That’s heavy stuff. Few applicants, tense environments and it seems like a ton of oversight, but not towards the benefit of teachers or teaching”
Evan: “Yeah – there’s a lot to overcome. But I know it’s not all bad.”
Avery: “Why do you say that?”
Evan: “When we spoke to Nicole Capsello, the STA president, she told us about the teacher at Lincoln Middle School who was recently attacked by an angry parent. I think if we end on anything, it should be this.”
Nicole Capsello: “I believe they will come back and teach, whether it be in our district or another district because they are a dedicated teacher and they miss their kids. That I can tell you, that she misses her kids.”

Syracuse, N.Y. (NCC News) – Over the past several years the Syracuse City School District (SCSD) has been experiencing an intense teacher shortage. Teachers within the district are quitting, retiring and transferring to other districts at an alarming rate.

Just last year, 171 Unit 1 staff within  SCSD resigned. The School district separates their staff into twelve different groups; Unit 1 staff is identified as “Teachers and Ancillary Staff”

Several teachers and school staff have expressed their concerns about the teacher shortage noting many teachers leave because of preventable issues. In a 2022 press release Gov. Kathy Hochul said that the state would need 180,000 new teachers in order to meet the district’s needs.

According to the U.S. Department of Education, NYS was down 3.9% in progress towards returning to pre-pandemic staffing levels. A percentage that falls among the higher numbers across the country.

One incident early this year brought attention to the issue of school violence and gave way to questions about how SCSD administrations handle behavioral issues. On Feb. 16 at Lincoln Middle School, a Syracuse school parent broke into the building and assaulted a teacher.

Lynzina Sutton was charged with second-degree assault and third-degree burglary. According to reporting by CNY-Central, the mother’s anger stemmed from bullying her daughter experienced at school that went unresolved by the administration.

In several interviews done with teachers and staff, they pointed out similar issues that have made schools within the district unsafe and undesirable places for teachers to work at.

Lack of Administration Support

Lack of administration support is felt across the Syracuse City School District. Teachers and school staff struggle to stay in buildings where support is limited and where a large disconnect exists between teaching staff and administrators.

Joyce Suslovic, was a SCSD teacher for over 30 years before retiring in 2021. Suslovic said that she retired largely because she felt disrespected by her school’s administration.

Suslovic said that when SCSD was under a remote learning model due to the Covid-19 pandemic teachers were told to pass students despite issues with attendance and engagement with class material.

“The entire faculty was told that we’re supposed to err on the side of the child and we need to find points and pass as many students as we can,” Suslovic said.

Despite Suslovic raising questions about this with administration, her and other teachers were still pressured to pass students.

“…once there were no Regents, the Regents were suspended during Covid, we were told to do everything we could to pass students,” Suslovic said, “And I don’t mean like, legitimately pass. Students showed up three or four times, you should pass that student.”

Suslovic believed that this was unconscionable and said that many teachers including herself saw this as the administration not treating teachers as professionals.

Jennifer Horn has been a teacher within the SCSD since 2002 and is currently a part of the teachers union as the 3rd vice president representing the Syracuse Teachers Association. Over the past 20 plus years, Horn says she has taught under both good and bad administrations.

Horn said that currently her school is under a very supportive administration but that she has seen how administrators often dictate the environment within school buildings.

“ In terms of the climate, we have had a real decline in our climate. As a matter of fact, we kind of had a good portion of our staff—a few years ago, we had about eight people transferred because of the lack of support,” Horn said, “And when kids know that they’re not going to be held accountable or their teachers aren’t supported, they take advantage of that and behaviors amped up.”

While Horn, a union representative, says she hasn’t seen many teachers leave her school recently, she knows issues persist in other SCSD schools. Horn says that this is overwhelmingly in relation to how administration works with teachers to solve issues of behavior and violence within the classroom.

School Violence

For Megan Giannino, it’s difficult to provide full support to SCSD students.

“It’s almost impossible to do what they need,” Giannino said. “We need more people, we need a better curriculum, we need this, we need that. It’s almost like we need the city to do more, not just the district.”

Before moving to West Genesee School District, Gianinno was a school counselor in Bellevue Elementary School. At Bellevue, Giannino noticed a shift in environment, school safety, and accountability.

One of the biggest differences Giannino notices is attendance. At SCSD, Giannino noted that some students struggle to make it to classes sometimes for weeks at a time.

“There’s not a level of importance to education,” said Giannino. “Kids don’t take school seriously anymore.”

As a result, it becomes harder and harder to control student actions and ensure a safe learning environment. Horn notices this phenomenon as well.

“I know across the district there are some buildings that have a very high turnover because the student behaviors are to a point where they’re not feeling supported and it makes a very disruptive learning environment,” said Horn.

Giannino has gotten so used to children sharing with her traumatic events and engaging in concerning behavior that she has almost become unreactive to it.

“There were times where kids were out on the playground and they had to come in because there were gunshots in the distance,” said Giannino, “As a school counselor, I am part of the emergency response team. I have to react and do what I can to make sure these kids are safe.”

Oftentimes, Giannino would have to make home visits to families, especially for children who were not attending school. Sometimes these home visits would make Giannino feel unsafe, whether they were in a bad neighborhood or she was put in an uncomfortable situation.

“I try to think, my first grader that goes to school lives here,” Giannino said. “I’m a full grown adult that is concerned, but that is their normal.”

Giannino has had children come into school that have experienced neglect, or are involved in violent fights, and even have had their homes shot at. This violence, when translated into school walls, becomes intense, and hard to manage without proper support.

Analiese DeRoberts, a former substitute teacher for SCSD, experienced this violence daily. She worked in a first grade classroom at Webster Elementary School last year, where she experienced these recurring issues.

“You have to be a certain type of person to work in the district because it is a lot to handle.” DeRoberts said. “The kids, the background, the support. I’ve obviously had kids have fights; kids hitting each other and kids trying to hit me.”

Suslovic also said that violence within the school she last worked at was an issue. Suslovic shared a story about a student who threw a phone at a teacher and was back in the classroom the next day despite the teacher voicing their discomfort.

“That incident that happened at Lincoln Memorial [Middle School] is that type of parental violence, a novel occurrence in the SSD,” Nicole Capsello, the Syracuse Teachers Association president said.

Overwhelmingly, school staff have expressed the need for school administrations to provide support to teachers in the face of school violence both at the hands of parents and students in order for teachers and staff to feel safe in schools.

Fear of Retaliation

Out of the 10 sources our team interviewed, six teachers and staff members requested to stay anonymous due to fear of district reprisal. Many of the sources still work within the district, are new to the district, or in some cases have already retired.

Out of the six anonymous sources, five of them cited lack of administrative support and violence as prominent issues within the district.

“I think people can get intimidated, sharing their experience,” Giannino said.

The stories shared by these anonymous sources echoes the sentiments of the other teachers and staff members we spoke to, often the stories detailed violent and shocking situations.

District Accountability

When the Newhouse Spotlight Team sought out a comment from superintendent Davis, responses were given by SCSD spokesperson Amanda Hull.

“The teacher shortage is not just affecting the SCSD, this is a national trend impacting schools throughout the country,” said Hull when asked why there is a teacher shortage in the SCSD.

While Hull said that the issue is widespread, the district is still working towards making various improvements in teacher recruitment and retention.

“We’re doing progressive recruitment where we’re going out to colleges and universities trying to find people who are in education fields,” Hull said. She said the district added a director of retention this past year and are working to support teachers so that they stay within the profession.

The district is also working to get teacher’s assistants with four year degrees certified, to ensure that all teachers and staff have certifications.

Recently, school safety has become a topic of discussion in the SCSD community. Teachers are fearful for their safety, and are looking to the administration for proper support.

“We want all our staff and students to come to work and school and feel safe. We are putting the most up to date security resources in our schools to ensure we have the tools needed to combat violence,” Hull said.

In Hull’s email response, she did not specify what these new resources and tools are, or when they are being implemented.

The Future of SCSD

When asked what could be done in schools to address violence, Capsello said there is a lot the administration can do to make changes in the district.

“There are definitely things that need to be done to our physical structures that can make us—you know, put us in a better position for safety. There are also policy changes that need to be made and just holding those policies up,” Capsello said. “Holding parents, community members and staff and students accountable to ensure that we are all following the policies and expectations, in order to keep everybody safe.”

Horn said that her current school administration at Webster Elementary has made an immense impact on the school’s atmosphere. Horn says that cohesive school staff which is primarily dictated by administration is what schools need.

“Most recently we have an administrator– who is a new principal, Dawn Kivlehan– but she is amazing,” said Horn, “She’s brought a lot of fun back to school. She’s really built up the sense of community both for the students and the staff. She is always accessible, her door is always open.”

Administration issues vary between school buildings, and change from year to year. Giannino shared that while her career in SCSD started out with strong and supportive administration, it ended with new administration in place, and teachers leaving as a result.

“My second year there administration had changed, principal and vice principal, which was good for probably like half of the year. But, towards the end of the year, there were going to be a lot of changes,” Giannino said. “A lot of people were unhappy.”

Despite the district noting that teacher shortages are a national issue, SCSD is struggling to manage the problem. Just this year, the district was scrambling to hire 40 teachers in time for the first day of school, according to a report done by Syracuse.com.

The reasons why teachers are leaving SCSD are compounded by several factors and vary from teacher to teacher, but Syracuse teachers and staff have overwhelmingly pointed to lack of administrative support and school violence when asked about why teacher shortages are impacting the district.

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